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Ridge: 'Good practice' for pharmacists to explain script exemptions

The panel faced criticism from MPs over the "complicated" prescription exemption system
The panel faced criticism from MPs over the "complicated" prescription exemption system

It is “good practice” for pharmacists to “sit down” with patients and explain the prescription exemption process with them, England's chief pharmaceutical officer has said.

Pharmacists have a duty to provide “patient-centred care”, Keith Ridge stressed, which includes guiding patients “through the system” to help them determine if they are eligible for free prescriptions.

Dr Ridge was responding to a question from Anne Marie Morris, Conservative MP for Newton Abbot, at a Public Accounts Committee meeting on penalty charge notices in healthcare on Monday (July 1).

The committee meeting – attended by C+D – focused on an investigation by the National Audit Office, which found that the number of prescription checks has “significantly increased” over the past five years – from 750,000 in 2014-15 to 24 million by 2018-19 – resulting in 5.6m penalty charge notices issued to patients for wrongly claiming free prescriptions and dental work.

Explaining the “scope of enquiry” ahead of Monday's meeting, the committee said the NAO investigation suggested the “rules around entitlement to free prescriptions and dental treatments are complicated, and this is leading to genuine mistakes and confusion for many people”.

When asked whether pharmacists are trained to help patients determine their eligibility for free prescriptions, Dr Ridge said he would “expect” pharmacists to be “well trained in this area”.

Contractors have an “incentive” to make sure staff are well trained, he added.

Digital checking pilot “going well”

The real-time exemption checking (RTEC) system, which has so far been piloted at four pharmacies, allows pharmacists to digitally check whether a patient is exempt from prescription charges, before medication is dispensed.

According to Dr Ridge, the pilot is “going very well”, and will be rolled out to “a thousand or more” pharmacies this year.

In “due course”, pharmacists will be able to “check someone’s exemption status in less than a second”, he added.

Ms Morris questioned why the system isn’t being rolled out faster, suggesting it was “asking a bit much of pharmacists” to have to explain the process to individuals.

But Dr Ridge said while the RTEC system is going at a “reasonable pace”, the “different IT systems” across the sector adds to the “complexity” of rolling it out faster.

38 Comments
Question: 
Do you regularly have to explain prescription exemptions to patients?

david williams, Community pharmacist

Sorry for all the spelling mistakes above

david williams, Community pharmacist

I spend a lot of time posting responses, that try to stop division between us. In this case, I cannot find anything to positive to post. It is very apparent that Dr. Ridge despises community pharmacists. He believes we are not professional and spends much of his time being critical of our dispensing role. I agree we need to change, modernise, adapt, call it what you like, but we don need to. However, his naive, * comments in this interview, show his lack of understanding of the role we have played over the past years and the current role we perform. Keith, a typical political answer, incompatible with a professional. You should know better, and probably do, but do not care. You haver become part of the political establishment that pay you. Where is your duty of candour that all pharmacists are obliged to show. Blamimg others for your master's failings are disgraceful.

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John Cleese, Production & Technical

Some quite frankly disgraceful and personally insulting comments on this thread. Ad hominem attacks don't win arguments. It's getting more like the Daily Mail every day.

Reeyah H, Community pharmacist

Don’t worry JC, KR won’t be reading the comments and taking notes. 

C A, Community pharmacist

Just one question how does Mr Ridge expect digital pharmacies to sit down and talk to patients hundreds of miles away?

Stuart Graham, Community pharmacist

England's chief pharmaceutical officer once again demonstrating how out of touch he is with community pharmacy. Maybe the next guidance will be to not provide treatment without evidence of exemption as part of the austerity measures he has implemented  and overseen.

Roy Sinclair, Community pharmacist

This problem has been around for years. I remember the issue  coming up in Hospital Pharmacies and it being made clear that it was not the responsibility of the Pharmacy to  check on payments / exclusions or to collect prescription fees and machines were installed at one time to provide payment stamps. There were also instances of Community Pharmacists being threatened with prosecution because they had 'helped' patients by signing for them that they were exempt when on fact the patient was not.

Perhaps Mr Ridge would have been more helpful in ensuring all Patients are informed that this is a tax that goes to the Government and that Pharmacists are acting as umpaid tax collectors. It does not just go into the Pharmacy till as a profit but is deducted from future reimbursements. I do not think I ever met a patient who paid for a prescription that understood that aspect of the prescription fee or that Pharmacists / Pharmacies will not be paid for their work in dispensing that sometimes expensive and possibly unprofitable prescription (in fact all that months prescriptions)  until some considerable time in the future. That would be good practice.    

Leon The Apothecary, Student

Keith Ridge has once again showing how out of touch he is with the industry on a fundemental level with these comments.

Ebers Papyrus, Pharmaceutical Adviser

Mr Ridge everyones ultimately accountable for their actions. We’re fast approaching an unhinged collapse of the system. These savage cuts then made all the more disgraceful with the exponential increase in the calender of paperwork you’ve thrown in. The latest incarnation- prescription exemption checking. You’ve been completely ostracised from the sector, you have never valued us. Just when you can’t demoralise us anymore you start banging the non clinical drum. Staggered by your pathological disdain for the hard working teams practicing in challenging, onerous and significantly clinical environments. It’s a miracle and measure of the professionalism and devotion to our patients that an implosion has been avoided already within community pharmacy. Contractors have been reducing staff they can’t afford to lose and refinancing in the vague hope of often heard empty rhetoric from DH. It’s a disgrace.

s8chy P, Pharmacy owner/ Proprietor

I cannot remember ONE positive change he has made for our profession and our patients. 

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Chris Locum, Locum pharmacist

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Paul Samuels, Community pharmacist

You will find it under the appropriate section in the loonies handbook for pharmacy!

George Ibrahim, Community pharmacist

Give Pharmacy effective tools to do such things - a nationally searchable database linked to the NHS spine could be useful, therefore if 1 pharmacy updates a person's exemption details it's updated for the whole country possibly instead of in a silo of 1 dispensary PMR programme database..

Caroline Jones, Community pharmacist

It would be much simpler if no one other than children under 16years and those prescribed contraceptives got prescriptions free......would stop all the patients moaning when they declare how unfair it is that they have to pay a prescription charge for 2 months of medication, yet their neighbour doesn’t!

What else can you get 2 (or more) months supply of for less than £10???!?

SP Ph, Community pharmacist

BREAKING NEWS !!! The MUR service has been replaced by a new service. Any guesses?? Mr. Cheap has indirectly made it public!!!

N B, Community pharmacist

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Robert Burnley, Primary care pharmacist

I really think it’s about time patients were given back responsibility for looking after their own business. With no responsibility it is always someone else’s fault. Although I no longer work in community I sympathise with the shrinking workforce and expanding workload community pharmacy faces year after year. When on earth are you supposed to find time to discuss exemptions with patients. Ridiculous. 

Robert Burnley, Primary care pharmacist

I really think it’s about time patients were given back responsibility for looking after their own business. With no responsibility it is always someone else’s fault. Although I no longer work in community I sympathise with the shrinking workforce and expanding workload community pharmacy faces year after year. When on earth are you supposed to find time to discuss exemptions with patients. Ridiculous. 

Joan Richardson, Locum pharmacist

Now I've wiped my eyes from the tears of laughter I just don't know what to say!  How on earth am I supposed to explain to a patient about universal credit when the government cannot even sort it out and  there isn't a box on the back of the prescription for that exemption anyway!

Get out of your ivory tower Mr Ridge and come and see how the other half live!  FMD has drastically increased the time it takes to dispense a precription and no doubt electroninc exemption checking is also going to be a nightmare!

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Paul Dishman, Pharmaceutical Adviser

Ridge should try working in a community pharmacy instead of sitting behind a desk making inane suggestions. 

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Seal Patel, Community pharmacist

Tick what you want and sign it. Its not our responsibility to know why you get something for free. It's funny how patients know they don't have to pay but have no idea why that is. The clown Keith Ridge needs a reality check and realise its not a pharmacy issue but something a patient needs to sort out themselves

Stuart Nicholls, Community pharmacist

Couldn't agree more with all these comments, get out of your ivory tower and come and spend some time in a pharmacy and see how low moral is we'reloaded with more & more tasks with decreasing renumaration!

Paul Gadsden, Locum pharmacist

Make everything like Wales and Scotland and give free prescriptions with cost funded by a small increase in national insurance or tax then expenditure on gadgets time of pharmacists worry of patients employment of bureaucrats in counter fraud office would all stop and life would be miles easier not having to worry if people are exempt or not and hmrc could do the job at which they are experts namely claiming taxes

Sham Kiani, Community pharmacist

It would be good practice if the Chief pharmaceutical officer refrained himself from making such stupid comments.

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V K P, Community pharmacist

What incentives is this joker talking about? He wants the pharmacy sector to do all the work but he will not put any resource into but would rather take funding out and give it to the GPs. Take the exemption policing to the GPs. How is exemption checking a clinical role? Which part of the BNF has prescription exemptions on?

 

 

 

Peed Off Superintendent, Superintendent Pharmacist

Has Ridge every worked in or even visited a community pharmacy. Funding cuts, over priced generics, opportunist wholesalers, FMD, cutting  PCDS, cutting staff hours, freezing salaries, mail order scripts posted through letterboxes (I was always told this wasn't allowed)  etc......and now he wants us to turn into the 'Exemption checking Police' and lose what few customers we have left ??...last one out of the door turn off the light!

Uma Patel, Community pharmacist

I have suspected for a while that he lives on a different planet, now I am convinced he lives in a different Universe. 

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Snake Plissken, Student

Is this article insinuating that pharmacists have some responsibility to shouder over the fines imposed on patients by the NHS becuase they have signed to state they are entitled to free prescriptions?

If the systme is too complicated, then is that not the NHS deliberately making it so that patients are fined so that they can capitlise in on it??

What exactly is this incentive Mr Rift is talking about? If its a couple of pennies, I would suggest having no part in this if we have any say in it.

How much exactly do pharmacies lose on average through inadvertant bundle switching? (which I have been told is quite substantial and common across the couple of multiples I know through their scorecards)

Charles Whitfield Bott, Pharmacist Director

ASFAIK the PPA is not connected to the Universal Credit Data Base. If you get UC there is no box to tick, you are supposed to know to use K, if you assume H you get a letter, with a fine, which you may just pay up on. If you call them then it can be sorted out, but not everyone has the ability to do that.

Worse still, I would assume if you sign K it will not be checked at all, and you may well get away with the fraud

I would welcome RETC if it works, but it wont, may explain wht the pilot has not been extended

ABC DEF, Primary care pharmacist

It's the PATIENTS' responsibilities to figure out what they should be claiming but not mine. To be honest they can declare whatever they want, and I can care less if they claim the wrong one (whether intentionally or unintentionally) and end up getting away with it or even better, a fine. It's not a pharmacist's job to police this and Mr. Ridge should probably hire some ''well-trained'' ''exemption educator'' to explain this to every single patient.

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